Empire: Total War (PC)


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Empire: Total War (PC) Game Box
What's Hot: Spectacular, detailed and lovingly historical

What's Not: Bad AI; Terrible documentation
Tom Chick
Tom Chick
Status: Battle dancing
Empire: Total War
Empire: Total War, a.k.a. Total War at Sea
After 10 years of ranging far and wide through the ancient world, the Total War developers creep closer to the modern age of actual total war. The term "total war" refers to the type of conflict in which all of a nation's resources are mobilized against all of its enemy's resources, no holds barred. Ironically enough, this is certainly not how the Total War series works. In Shogun, Medieval and Rome, armies meet on discrete battlefields, bang on each other, and then go home to the strategic map after a winner has been declared. It's how the games play, it's how wars were historically fought, and it's clearly not what people talk about when they say "total war".

But Empire: Total War is different. It runs the length of the 18th century and the breadth of the Western Hemisphere, from American Indians to subcontinental ones, skimming Africa to the south and going deep into Scandinavia to the north. War goes to sea with new naval combat that affects trade routes. Now artillery plays a central role on the battlefield, smashing houses that armies might requisition. Now towns are razed, farms are looted, and universities are burned. This ambitious, gorgeous, amphibious game is as epic as you'd expect. And then some. War is on the cusp of new atrocities and it's as "total" as Total War has ever been.

It is also a terrible mess from start to finish that makes me wonder if developer Creative Assembly has contempt for its fan base and utter disregard for everyone else. But I'll get to that in a moment.

Tactics, meet strategy. Strategy, meet tactics.

Empire: Total War
Don't we look good? Who cares if we're dumb?
As with the previous games in the Total War series, there are two distinct types of gameplay here. The tactical battles look better than ever, and the new emphasis on artillery changes the way they're fought, letting the player with the biggest guns reach across some expansive maps. These juicy targets give cavalry a renewed sense of purpose (the artificial intelligence certainly appreciates the significance of artillery, based on how it makes a mad dash at anything resembling a cannon). The new naval combat is another example of developer Creative Assembly bringing battlefields to life. We've seen some nice-looking historical naval combat these days, most recently in Pirates of the Burning Sea. But nothing rivals these thrilling naval engagements between ships populated with little men who fling themselves into the water as their vessels sink. There are shredded sails, toppled masts, explosions, splashes, waves and debris. Time was when people who loved these historical details had to imagine them while staring at hexes. But there's no historically-themed eye candy like the latest Total War eye candy, and Empire doesn't disappoint.

All of this is situated on an entirely new strategic map, which abandons the old model of provinces in favor of something more fragmented. The map is still divided into provinces for the purposes of who controls land. But there is a new resource model built around towns springing up in their historical locations, each its own unique resource "node." As towns emerge, you dedicate them to various specialties. Do you want to make money, placate the population, or advance your technology? Choose wineries, plantations, churches or schools. The new strategic layer does a great job of bringing the map to life and giving it as much historical flavor as the far more complicated maps in Paradox's Europa Universalis series.

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  • Goggz
    Goggz

    6/21/2009 3:19:46 PM

    sorry about that one just registered didnt see it was post as well.. xD

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  • Goggz
    Goggz

    6/21/2009 3:15:49 PM

    @Number41:

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  • Number41
    Number41

    6/11/2009 1:12:12 PM

    At the risk of being pounded as a fanboy, I actually like the game despite its faults.

    The game certainly gets some things right. For example: Linear combat is king on both land and sea. It has probably the best implementation of sailing ships in line to have ever been on the PC screen.

    Tactical AI may not be human-like, but is a helluva-lot better than many games. I have seen battles where I set up a strong point, ie: artillery on a hill, with screening infantry. The AI, quickly figures out that it can't take the hill, and it shifts the focus of the attack.

    Strategic AI is broken over water, but can be challenging if you are playing mostly land based factions: Russia, Poland, etc.

    Along with Empire TW, there seems to be a bit of trashing reviewers here. Although I can look at some of the major sites and wonder about why some scores seem so high, I really don't think that editors or game companies are putting influence on them (it may happen, but my guess it is rare).

    I think most reviewers are really scoring the game based on how the game stacks up to generic RTS'. Against standard RTS fare, Empire is actually pretty good. So historical accuracy, and the fact that the Cherokees have artillery and fight in the European style does not mean much; the game could just as easily be about humans vs. dragons.

    As far as stability is concerned...unfortunately for PCs, the diversity of hardware means that somebody, somewhere is going to have an unplayable game. That's not good, it's not right, and it sucks; but those facts don't change the reality. There are plenty of stable PC games out there, but if you ask around, even with those, somebody is not happy. The trick is to be stable enough so that most players don't have a problem. Unfortunately in Empire's case, most everybody had some crashes; I have not seen any since the 1.2 patch however.

    Overall, I am happy Empire. I can't wait for it to get better, but am happy with it even now.

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  • BubbaNZ
    BubbaNZ

    6/9/2009 2:50:14 AM

    Thank you for the informative and very fair review. And also for bucking whatever mysterious force has caused 'all those other' reviewers to look sideways at the faults you list -- and all the rest. One day it might be 'magnificant' - as CA claims - but right now it's got more bugs that a battle scene in Starship Troopers. I was seduced by those other reviews. I just took their sites off my favorites bar, and put yours in there. Stay true!

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  • Lee66
    Lee66

    5/7/2009 9:42:42 PM

    No arguing with the review, but I think he left out a few things. So many other reviews praise the historical accuracy of this game, but last night I was waging war against the Cherokees and found they had a European-style fortress in St Augustine and artillery defending one of their villages. American Indians fighting in formations with cannons- what nonsense! We'll have to wait for a total realism mod to get it fixed, I'm sure.

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  • Beaufou
    Beaufou

    3/30/2009 10:20:56 AM

    I have bought all Total war games, but I am getting very cold feet about this one.
    I have read other "expert" reviews that don't even come close to what people are saying in forums; this one however does.
    Thank you

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  • rherd
    rherd

    3/25/2009 12:41:44 AM

    Very nice review. I hate reviewers that kiss the ass of big game companies just because they are big game companies, and I hate reviewers that get so taken by eye candy and cosmetic flash that they miss the fact that strategy games involve 'strategy gaming'. And I also hate reviewers that trash games without rhyme or reason.

    This trashing gave the rhymes, gave the reasons, and gave a big publisher the "emporer's got no clothes" message that it deserved.

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  • Palalong
    Palalong

    3/23/2009 8:19:16 PM

    owned?

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  • JohnKeefer
    Game Trust Member
    JohnKeefer (Game Trust Writer)

    3/23/2009 8:12:20 PM

    @Steeltrap:

    dude, you are cynical. Crispy has a policy that if a writer disagrees with any review posted on the site, they can post a rebuttal or dissenting opinion. It is part of our policy in thinking that ALL opinions should be heard.

    Other dissenting opinions:
    Resident Evil V
    Metal Gear Solid 4
    Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
    Too Human
    LittleBigPlanet
    Silent Hill Homecoming

    So please refrain from the hint that we changed anything or got pressure from anywhere. We acknowledge that people have differing opinions, so we present those sides from members of the Game Trust that can eloquently rebutt the review. Whether you agree or not is a different story.

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  • elfraed
    elfraed

    3/23/2009 4:41:12 PM

    Refreshing, a candid review.
    My games crash so much I haven't played one from beginning to end. Perhaps they should put it out on X-box.

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  • ktrich
    ktrich

    3/22/2009 12:32:03 AM

    Actually I agree on the main points raised. The AI is pathetic from a strategic standpoint. From a tactical standpoint it is somewhat better than in the past. The AI is typically treated as a stumbling block rather than an opponent. Increase the difficulty and it cheats rather than competes.The battles however look great although units need a lot of micromanagement.(remind them to shoot sometimes). The game is as complex as the manual and help is poor (historically true in the total war series). The best explanation is from a player http://uploading.com/file...K5P/EmpireGuide.pdf.html )
    It can however be addictive and some battles can be challenging. If one enjoys battle scenes from that time period it might be worth it, but the mods and patches will definitely improve it. Additionally one should be aware that it requires Steam to install which unless you are looking for multiplayer is a waste. And one should be aware that pre-market sales was disgusting in its sales of 'special units'.
    I may well have waited until it was marked down and will next time.

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  • njk
    njk

    3/21/2009 2:44:48 PM

    I think I agree with about 100% of that review. I would have not got this game if I had seen this review instead of PC Gamers 93% appraisal but I guess that why that review was splashed everywhere and this is here.

    I have played since the first TW game but this will be my last because I have lost all faith in CA after convincing myself that they would listen to their customers reguarding prevous games and work on the areas that need work on.


    Thk123, the reason why the demo took so long to load is because it was trying to load units that wern't there. Meaning noone from CA bothered to check the demo before it went out. Which isn't suprising.

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  • JohnKeefer
    Game Trust Member
    JohnKeefer (Game Trust Writer)

    3/21/2009 1:43:34 PM

    @Cynical:

    The grade is a fry it. I fixed it. We are have a system problem where some grades are reverting to N/R (no rating). I'm having tech look into it.

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  • Cynical
    Cynical

    3/21/2009 1:31:14 PM

    That had better be a website error giving it 'not reviewed' or pretty much crispy gamer has proved the Kane and Lynch effect is real and ubiquitous

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  • Tarq
    Tarq

    3/21/2009 1:17:39 PM

    Err why removing the grade?

    After all, it was fair to grade it with "Fry it"

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  • Tarq
    Tarq

    3/21/2009 1:06:49 PM

    I have to express my congratulations to writer of this review for going against all the media pressure and writing honest review of what is true state of this highly hyped, but also very unfinished game.

    You just got one more faithful reader.

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  • Steeltrap
    Steeltrap

    3/21/2009 11:04:13 AM

    Yes, a comprehensive review! Gives credit where due - and there's plenty - but then brings the hammer down due to the flaws that are crucial.

    I note this review is banned in the ETW forum. All the ones giving 99.99% ratings aren't. Says it all, really.

    One last thing: I think Tom should feel decidedly off about the fact that someone else from Crispy has seen fit to publish a rebuttal, all done very politely, but ending with the conclusion it "should please most strategy gamers". What a cop-out.

    I wonder, how many instances are there of one of your reviewers posting a rebuttal that totally changes the ultimate conclusion? Please list them for us!

    If this is the only one, says something doesn't it!

    I wonder who's more embarrassed: SEGA for publishing this game, the rest of the review community for printing what are little short of advertisements, or Tom for having to put up with getting an 'almost apology' from within his own camp?

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  • bar10dr
    bar10dr

    3/21/2009 11:02:44 AM

    Hi!

    I just registered here to thank you for a GOOD review, I don't know about all the other 'big' game review sites, they must have been payed off or did not really play the game!?

    Thank you for an excellent and a truthful review, I've bookmarked the site and I look forward to reading more reviews that tells the actual truth and is not just there as a sales tool for the game industry.

    THANK YOU!

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  • BigToe
    BigToe

    3/21/2009 1:31:56 AM

    Yeah i agree, a good honest review. Much of what is written here is what alot of us found when we first played it

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  • Cynical
    Cynical

    3/21/2009 12:37:46 AM

    The only HONEST review of the game so far.

    I found bugs the 2nd turn I played, other reviewers can't be that stupid can they?

    Shame the site doesn't have the cajones to stand up.

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  • GusMastrapa
    Game Trust Member
    GusMastrapa (Game Trust Writer)

    3/20/2009 9:18:13 PM

    @Heinz_Guderian:

    I'm glad you all are engaged by this game and this review, but use caution when calling Tom's review "honest." That implies that others are lying or attempting to deceive. And that's not a productive or intellectually honest (I know) way to debate. Others have differing opinions, come at the game from another angle or are just more forgiving. They're not liars.

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  • failspy
    failspy

    3/20/2009 8:59:12 PM

    Quite refreshing to see something other than near-universal praise. You and GS are the only people so far who have taken the bugs into account. It's a real shame how ETW turned out, I waited 2 years for this and was expecting a lot more. I guess I'll wait until the price goes down since this doesn't sound like it's worth $63.

    Until then, well, my Carthaginian campaign beckons. Down with the Romans!

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  • Heinz_Guderian
    Heinz_Guderian

    3/20/2009 7:02:41 PM

    Thanks for the most honest review of this game I've seen thus far. Your comments about the documentation and AI or right on the money although I think a rating of 'Try It' would have been more appropriate. In any case, thanks again for the honesty which is refreshing in this day and age.

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  • Heinz_Guderian
    Heinz_Guderian

    3/20/2009 7:01:10 PM

    Very honest review and hats off to you for posting it

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  • rijde
    rijde

    3/20/2009 5:37:32 PM

    Generally, Tom does a good job with reviews. In this case, musta' been tax time or some other preoccupation (Battlestar Tom?). Empire is the best in the series. The game has always focused on the two opposing armies on the battle map. The campaign map was always an added bonus, which brings me to the point were the review goes from off the tracks to total train wreck.

    My read stopped at the point were the comparison is that Empire does a poor job of describing information and the player has to go to a forum...and somehow civilization does a better job?! Hello! Have you read the commentary and questions at civ fanatics?

    In fact, EU and Civ, can learn from Empire's use of quick lists for information. In this edition, information is much more solidly accessible. EU for example has layers of info to dig through and god have you played victoria!? Those games compared by Tom could take some direction from Empire.

    As far as AI, remember my read stopped, so not sure what the problem is. My games of Empire have been the best in the series as far as battles and the campaign AI crushes at VH. I'm play a hard to find any difference. This part I don't get. Returning to the comparison of civ and EU both those games give aggressive bonuses and have aggressive script for the AI. Empire seems right on par. Look, I don't own a supercomputer and neither do I want to wait a week to simulate a set of cavalry charging infantry nor do I want to wait a decade for the programming to do that. Best in the series. Classic game, period.

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  • rijde
    rijde

    3/20/2009 5:36:23 PM

    Generally, Tom does a good job with reviews. In this case, musta' been tax time or some other preoccupation. Empire is the best in the series. The game has always focused on the two opposing armies on the battle map. The campaign map was always an added bonus, which brings me to the point were the review goes from off the tracks to total train wreck. My read stopped at the point were the comparison is that Empire does a poor job of describing information and the player has to go to a forum...and somehow civilization does a better job?! Hello! Have you read the commentary and questions at civ fanatics? In fact, EU and Civ, can learn from Empire's use of quick lists for information. In this edition, information is much more solidly accessible. EU for example has layers of info to dig through and god have you played victoria!? Those games compared by Tom could take some direction from Empire. As far as AI, remember my read stopped, so not sure what the problem is. My games of Empire have been the best in the series as far as battles and the campaign AI crushes at VH. I'm play a hard to find any difference. This part I don't get. Returning to the comparison of civ and EU both those games give aggressive bonuses and have aggressive script for the AI. Empire seems right on par. Look, I don't own a supercomputer and neither do I want to wait a week to simulate a set of cavalry charging infantry nor do I want to wait a decade for the programming to do that. Best in the series. Classic game, period.

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  • RyanKuo
    Game Trust Member
    RyanKuo (Game Trust Writer)

    3/20/2009 4:14:16 PM

    @all

    We'll be posting a Dissenting Opinion on the game from Troy Goodfellow later today that speaks to some of Tom's criticisms. Stay tuned for that article. (A link will be added at the end of this one.)

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  • Landwalker
    Landwalker

    3/20/2009 3:16:34 PM

    The most unfortunate part of this review is that it is being unflinchingly persecuted on the official Total War forums (not only in the Empire Gameplay subforum, either -- moderators have now started deleting it even in the Rants and Raves subforum). Hopefully anybody smart enough to have already waited this long (I sure wasn't) will also be smart enough to do enough research into the game's reception to find this review, or at the very least the uproar at the official forums, because they jump into buying it based on the embarrassingly overflattering reviews on other sites like IGN.

    Cheers.

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  • carlweathersbicep
    carlweathersbicep

    3/20/2009 12:29:11 PM

    Terrific, a review that has the balls and basic journalistic integrity to say what we all know. No question, this will be an excellent game in 6months time, but I didn't pay £35 for that potential, I paid it to play a finished game. And there is no excuse for the joke of a manual.
    CAs inability to respond to its customers on its own messageboards on makes matters worse. The whole thing is rather unfortunate for a game that could have been universally loved had the suits had the decency to let the dev finish making it.

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  • bortin
    bortin

    3/20/2009 12:11:35 PM

    Spot on review, Tom Chick. The official totalwar.com forums are doing their best to weasel their way into censoring your review by pushing it off the main forum and into the "Rants and Raves" section. Hahaha, the more I think about the reaction of the fans and how the fans of TW are being treated by the totalwar.com moderators, Tom Chicks review might come off like Thomas Pain's "Common Sense" and the fans are going to follow in the steps of the tutorial and have a nerd Revolution, what with all the Ban-Hammering going on the official forums! The totalwar.com Massacre... we'll never forget!

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  • thk123
    thk123

    3/19/2009 1:09:39 PM

    Ouch! That's a negative review. Still intrigued by it, but I guess it falls down my list. My personal gripes from the demo and entirely technical; where is the user interface and why does loading take a million years. Apparently, it doesn't work at all well on my obscure ATi, Dell standard, graphics card. That put me off.

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  • moromete
    moromete

    3/18/2009 11:36:49 AM

    Well, even with the big problems with AI and crashes (I've never had that much of a problem with lack of explanation for game mechanics) the game is still at least a "try it" for th scope, the tactical battles (in which the AI is not as inept as it was in Medieval 2) and the naval battles.

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  • centurion
    centurion

    3/18/2009 7:48:51 AM

    Thanks for the honest review, was getting hyped up for the game but had a nagging feeling the AI would be terrible as it has been since Rome Total War.

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  • Agnitio
    Agnitio

    3/17/2009 11:00:28 PM

    That's unfortunate, thanks for saving me some money at least for now. I hope it gets better with patches though, I think it could be a lot of fun

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